Cops And Ex-Felons Seek To Find Common Ground

Cops And Ex-Felons Seek To Find Common Ground


You, my friend, the first thing you said to me when I sat down was “oh my god” “You look like somebody I arrested before.” Dude I’ve known you for like two minutes. I don’t even know your name Can I have all my people who currently or previously have worked in law enforcement against that wall all the other people, on that side Apparently people are a lot braver than I am so, you know, or they’re a lot more comfortable with their stories Alright, my disagreers, come on in I’m just more excited to be here and To share stories, hear everybody else’s story For me more it’s so, uh, in our situations that you’re kind of conditioned like You guys are the enemy, you know? I don’t know how you guys feel about us, or, you know, I’ve never had a deeper conversation with law enforcement Probably from your point of view is is that it doesn’t always seem like The justice system is fair. I think that what you find though It’s if you truly love this job, and this work that you strive to find that balance in fairness I’m Puzzled by what he’s saying because I’ve never heard anything like this before Because I mean if it’s true what you’re saying then how come police aren’t policing police Why are you standing idly by while your fellow officers are going around shooting and killing unarmed black people Why is that happening? I don’t know. I probably did. Sold drugs, that’s why I did – I sold a shit ton of drugs and um, I Didn’t have family. I never – you know. I mean I grew up in foster homes. I didn’t have any type of family, but I Fucking knew that when I went to prison. I knew I didn’t want to come back to this shit You know what I’m saying, so while I was in prison I knew I needed to start there and build a foundation. I’ve been out of trouble since 1989 you know so I chose to commit my own crimes when I was younger. I wanted the violence. I could have easily chose to do something else But I was always there when things were gonna happen I was talking about – thinking about between my professional life or my personal life. I think that like you know, it’s it’s one of those things where like you look at for instance have I Have I killed anybody, have I robbed anybody, have I – like all these major felonies now have I sped before? Yeah, absolutely You know what I hear is uh? You’re telling me there’s levels of legality. I mean I used to be Sort of on that and to – like I grew up well, I went to private schools I mean, I’m not somebody you know like which stereotype as somebody who gone to prison You know and then I’ve gone to prison And I just find out how fucked up the system is. I mean what about that guy who goes out? Has dinner and has a drink. Ends up spending seven or eight years in prison because somebody started a fight with them. But then I meet people in prison who’ve Shot somebody in the back of the head execution style and only got ten years for it you know whereas for me I spent 13 years in prison because Somebody was hurting my family, and I thought like okay, well we’re gonna go get our stuff back from this person and I get conspiracy to commit robbery conspiracy to, you know, use a gun which has added another 10 years And it’s nothing ever happened. You know nobody got hurt and like maybe it’s cultural. Maybe it’s you know I grew up Where like you defend your family you know and yeah like was it a bad mistake sure Can I ask a question though, like, why your first thought wasn’t like, “Let me call the cops to help solve this issue?” Cause you know, like from my experience growing up Cops don’t help. They just come by, show up, make a great show of doing their jobs and then leave, but I’m just saying There’s no consistency in the system. It makes no sense, it depends on which county you go to which judge You show up in front of. It’s a political game. It’s – that’s not justice. What would you consider justice to be? I mean, I would like to see that, you know, there would be some consistency if I go to LA County or San Diego or wherever that The same crimes that carry the same time, there would be some, you know, consideration for, you know, situation. I don’t think there is. The criminal justice system truly does help to protect societies If we did not have it that there would be chaos. It may not be perfect right now, but we need the justice system, and we have to believe it For some reason it just seems to me that if you’re from a wealthier family, you’re easy to get off the hook When I was fighting my case I had a cellie who was Fighting the same crime that I committed For an attempted murder. He had came back said that the judge gave him one year with two strikes I don’t know how that went about but for me, I end up getting ten years with one strike And his family was wealthy. In that, did you have priors? Did he have priors? I had no priors. I just didn’t understand. Why is it that, you know, if your family has more money? It’s easier to get off the hook. A lot of times I saw that if you have a private attorney, high-power attorney I guess you have a better chance of getting off than having public defender That could be a little hole in the criminal justice system, but that’s how it is right now And then I don’t know how to address that issue so I guess that’s It shouldn’t be a game. It shouldn’t be a game with people’s lives, like how how can I get this? How can I negotiate a win with this person’s life? At the end of the day man, it’s all about money And it’s about numbers, and there’s no There’s no money in rehabilitation, man. There’s money in recidivism And if I could give up my job today as a result of no other people going to jail, which means that they would Actually stop committing crimes I would do it in a heartbeat Oh, yeah, but there’s not too many people like you If we had a system full of guys like you That’d be awesome, I think that that’s that’s but again See what you just said is that’s the perception that you have is that there are no, it’s not- It’s a reality for us. For me when I was inside and the nonprofit that I worked for we had You know, the programs in there, and this is a class that are is gonna help them You know, actually do something with their lives every evening while the guys are going to class like, they get harassed and they we come out of the class and All the cops are lined up and like, get on the wall, strip-search, tear up textbooks, tear up their personal property, their homework like yeah That’s how the system is, like on the way out of prison officers were telling me like, “I’ll see you back on the next one,” You know, like, that’s fucking bullshit Out of everybody in the circle, that he was the first one to actually voice The fact that he made choices. It’s in that moment that they claim dominion over themselves So I appreciate that. Thank you. Don’t know how they feel about that. I don’t think any one of us right here sat here and say like I didn’t make my own choices I understand I made my own choice. I got myself my own time. I thought yeah, I get the sense that you do too I think the larger issue is that the system is broken and that’s what I have a problem with. I don’t have a problem with taking ownership of my actions, it’s Society not taking ownership of its own creation. And I hope you don’t hear that He was the one – he was the only person vocal in saying that I will ask you this and I’ll challenge you. Do you know who your representative is – have you ever contacted their office? No. Have you ever contacted your Congress member? No. Then I suggest that you should. and here’s the thing, cause you strike me as a very smart individual that has the ability to go in influence. I agree with you as – I just think that You need to take a walk in our shoes. You know, like – and I don’t mean any disrespect by this, but You sound like a law enforcement pamphlet You know, like you sound like every perfect thing that they want you to say. It’s kind of like when you work in a company And the CEO says this is the policy, but when you’re on the ground level You know that there are certain things that just doesn’t work in reality I think you have, you know, great views And I think you’re – if we had, you know, law – like, just a team of law enforcement That’s exactly like you two, that have the same views, like, it would be great You know, but I also think that there is reality When you come out of prison, Everything is just so stacked against you, like it seems that that’s that commonality So like when a friend – since when I talked about coming out of military I had people that told me when and where to be, all these rules and regulations, and when I got out You know, there was nobody there. Same thing happens in prison. You have to break out of the prison mind mentality. Here’s the difference between The mil- and I agree with you, there’s a lot of similarities, There are a lot of commonalities with prison in the military, however when you’re in the military You’re told you’re the men of this country, are the defenders of this country. You’re men. When you go to prison, We were told that we’re pieces of shit, We were told that we’re animals, you know, and when you’ve gone through a decade of that, it – it gets in your head, Inside your mind. It’s like, “who am I,” like, “who am I to think that I can do these things?” it just Turns you into nothing, you know, and it makes you believe that you’re nothing, that you can’t do it And that’s something that you can’t put into, you know, LAPD policy, you know, and that’s what the justice system does to you, like it breaks you. But you know what, I can tell you this Me looking at you, I don’t see any of the things that you talk about. I would hope for you, for actually all three of you, that you know that you guys are able to escape those Boundaries that have been created, because guess what, at the end of the day, Like, you have one life to live and it’s going to be predicated upon the decisions that you make now. I honestly believe that They have a structure in place that can help. The people who are running it are the ones that need adjusting I think it needs a lot of work. I think the resources are put in to a lot of the wrong places and I’m not okay with Saying “well this is what we got so let’s try to work with it,” like, no I think that there should be moves To try to improve the system, like I don’t think we should ever be content. You know, like I said unfortunately when the budget crisis happens, training is the first one that goes out the door I think they need more training. If they’re training to save the one life, I think it is worth it. I also think communication, to build a unity in a community. That way that it can be trusted with one another and be able to work with one another with all the challenges that’s going on in this chaotic world do you have any information on your non profit organization? I do actually. Let me give you – you can look us up. Hey guys much appreciation We get to do what we love because you all watch our videos So if you really love us, you’ll continue to keep watching videos. There’s more right here that you can check out, you probably haven’t seen all of them And if you really want to just commit to us you can subscribe right here. I’ll be around, I’ll be at the end of some more videos, and I will keep in touch. Peace.

14 Comments

  • gypsyrose90 says:

    It seems it’s more of a problem within the whole justice system. Cops are just a part of that. They don’t make the rules they help enforce them. Sure there are some truly corrupt cops. But you can’t have the mentality that every cop is out to get you. Having family who are cops they truly seek to help people.

  • Dunebuggie Jones says:

    (Coming from a black woman) We don’t claim that one.

  • 2-D says:

    "How come police aren't policing police?"

    (Speech 100)

  • BipolarPolymath says:

    Public defenders having a higher case load than they can legitimately defend = a little hole

  • JFIORELLO 1 says:

    I hate Timothy

  • BOWSER R says:

    A couple things to this that actually put this in a more fitting perspective. (Also i am a hugeee 2A supporter. Important for one of these points.)

    1. The justice system is flawed and unfortunately money at times does = innocence. But its not because of like the whole Hollywood "pay them off" idea. It is because you are able to now make a more credible defense because evidence, witnesses, time, amazing lawyers, etc. All cost money. So the more you can invest the better your chances of getting off. Another reason why people can be convicted is because of the jury that you are given. What is the jurors opinions? Where does their morale compass point? What do they think is a suitable punishment? All these factors and more are what you are against when you are undergoing due process. Now when it comes to being convicted, no crime is the same. Even if you say "oh we both got robbery and assult" but as this cop said so beautifully, did you have priors? But more to it! How bad was the assault? Was a weapon involved? Was it premeditated? What was the age of the victim? How much was stolen? And so much more ALL go into getting the conviction. So just because it is classified as a robbery or assault doesn't mean thats all it was.

    2. The black guy wasn't ready for this discussion, the anger he had blinded him from seeing the truth which is why he said the very stereotypical thing that all black people say and that is why don't cops police cops. The answer to this is simple, they do police each other, there is 2 reasons as to why you don't hear of it often. 1. Internal affairs tend to deal with it and 2. It hardly happens. To be blunt about it. Another thing he said that was wrong is that cops shoot unarmed blacks, as if it was a regular occurence. This is so rare that it doesn't even need to be mentioned but the true fact of it is that there is more black on blue and black on black crime than there is blue on black. Black on Black crime dominates the field so he should really be asking why blacks are killing other blacks in outrageous amounts.

    3. None of what they said really had to do with the justice system. What they are upset over is how PEOPLE treat them, how SOCIETY treats them after they committed the crime. Unfortunately you do the crime you do the time, and sadly depending on what you have done that crime may follow you forever. Is it right? No of course not, but you also have to understand that it was you who made the choices that you made so you have to deal with the consequences.

  • Shit my ass hole on a stick says:

    The Ex-felons seem a little closed minded…

  • Elizabeth Regnes says:

    Honestly.. seeing this kind of irritates me? The police act like… there are absolutely no holes in the judicial system and that "so long as you go to the police first"- you'll always be okay, when in reality.. it's not like that at all. What about the innocents who've been violently victimized by their perpetrator/oppressor? As a survivor of violent crime (and having watch my perpetrator walk free after what he did to me)… there are most likely millions of others out here.. who feel the same anger/resentment towards law enforcement and the judicial system for failing us. Most police spend more time trying to place the blame on the victims themselves rather than using their time more efficiently to gather the motives, means, and evidence as to why the person even chose to commit the crime in the first place. This is such an old video.. but I really hope Jubilee does this same concept but with survivors of violent crimes (who've been wronged by the justice system, who've seen their perpetrator go free) versus the police.

  • HarroKitteh says:

    The problem with the guys statement at 1:50 is that Police are in fact policing police, and thats why they get away with killing unarmed people. In Canada we have citizens that investigate police to make sure they didnt step out of line.

  • Chief Daddie says:

    Yo god was present them and voiced himself through him. 😭😭😭😭😱🤗 i love the lord my god selah

  • donald trump says:

    also the ex-con with the man-bun was actually surprisingly smart

  • Wan Smith says:

    If you treat people like animals they become animals

  • Saidie Jimenez says:

    It's not ok that private attorney win more cases

  • Don't Hate. CREATE says:

    The cop that asked if he knew whom his representatives are, made a good point. Also the guy who said they label felons as animals is spot on as well. Super cool that the cop said he doesn't see them in that way. Interesting there were only 2 cops and none white.

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